Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Between public freedom and public order...


Home Minister Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said today that the preliminary findings of the independent panel on Bersih 3.0 prove that there is a need to find a balance between public freedom and maintaining public order.

While maintaining that none — including the police — would be spared if found to have broken the law, he said the violence only supported the Government’s position on the need to have mass gatherings in a controlled environment.

“We could see that emotions went out of control, and this applies both to the authorities and those assembled. That is why we suggested for it to be in a stadium."

Hisham was commenting on news reports quoting panel chairman former IGP Tun Hanif Omar who said that low-ranking policemen had acted unprofessionally in handling the Bersih 3.0 crowd.

Hanif said Kuala Lumpur police chief Deputy Comm Mohmad Salleh testified that he had seen via monitors at the Bukit Aman control centre that some officers had acted unprofessionally.

The panel also saw police giving 'uncalled-for slaps' to protesters when viewing footage of the controversial rally last April 28.

Hanif was reported to have said the police had no standard operating procedure (SOP) in handling the media at the rally, where nearly a dozen pressmen on duty were assaulted and detained.

Hishammuddin urged the public to take an impartial view of the situation.

“I believe even the IGP won’t condone such acts (by police officers). I only ask that everyone be fair and to not prejudice the findings of the panel,” he said.

Hisham was very downright about it. I personally support any move by the authority and the government and even the Opposition to make public order as their top priority, especially at the time when Malaysia is faced with exploding issues like racism and religious cults.

I, however, do not agree with what Hanif said about the police. Anywhere in the world, including the US and Britain, the police will have to 'reciprocate' with the unruly protesters. Police or not, they are human with emotion and sentiment.

Yes, there are good and bad cops but how do we categorize the protesters who attacked the policemen?

The Opposition will make a big noise over the injury sustained by some protesters but said nothing if a policemen dies in the hands of the protesters.

Hisham gave a good point there...

24 comments:

a prosecutor said...

between freedom and order, of course i opt for public order.

no point having an absolute freedom if the country is in disarray.

i also agree with dtk hisham

thank u sir

sugumaran said...

freedom does not guarantee peace and stability. if freedom brings about chaos in the sense that everybody can take to the streets and demonstrate unruly, may as well we condemn them with strict law.

peace and stability must be placed above all.

the opposition too must consider this. politics aside, i think people like ambiga and anwar would love to have a peaceful malaysia rather than having to find find new hideout every now and then.

we are all malaysians. if we dont love the peaceful environment, then we are not fit to become leaders!

penangan said...

salam tn,

kita mestilah mengutamakan kesejahteraan, keselamatan, keamanan dan kestabilan negara.

dengan ini, setiap rakyat boleh bebas mencari nafkah dan membina kehidupan lebih baik dan penuh bererti.

tidak ada ertinya jika kebebasan yang diberi dijadikan permit untuk kita bertindak sesuka hati, mencetuskan kekacauan dan ketidakstabilan di negara sendiri.

adalah wajar bagi setiap rakyat menilai erti kebebasan sebenar dalam konteks keamanan dan bukannya menyalahgunakannya.

tauke lim said...

ambiga wants total freedom lor.

she is promoting freedom for LGBT and free sex.

thats why they took to the streets.

that also u dont know aaar!!!

Anonymous said...

yes, hisham made a good point but he himself sometimes failed to deliver what he was supposed to do!

tonik cop gajah said...

tun hanif tak sepatutnya bercakap macam tu mengenai pasukan polis yang dia sendiri pernah ketuai.

ketika dia jadi ketua polis negara, kenapa tak atasi masalah seperti ini, iaitu ketidakprofesionalisme anggotanya?

kenapa sekarang baru cakap mengenainya?

tak adillah. kita ni semua manusia. menteri pun ada buat salah.

sebab itulah kita ada undang2 yang tak mengenal sesiapa.

Anonymous said...

public order must be prioritized!

freedom only bring lots of problem!

melia kong said...

lucky we are in malaysia.

in korea, japan, china and other countries, the police will go to 'war' with protesters like bersih.

ambiga is fortunate. i think she was taking advantage of the tolerance PDRM to spearhead her campaign.

public order? no laaa.... she does not want a peaceful country!

pro-Pakatan said...

abis tu, sampai bila pun pentadbiran negara takkan berubah kalau rakyat tak bangkit dengan cara demonstrasi jalanan ni.

biarlah jadi macam mesir dan syria asalkan sistem demokrasi negara boleh dibetulkan.

mat gombau said...

jai,

sebagai maknusio, kito ado kelemahan masing2. polis pun macam tu yo. ahli politik pun macam tu yo. anwar dan tok najib pun ado kelomahan.

tapi dalam apo keadaan pun, keamanan negaro patut diutamokan.

janganlah kito hadiahkan negaro yang musnah kepado generasi kito yang akan datang. malu kito semuo nanti.

baik org melayu, cino, india, sikh atau bangso lain, negaro ni hak kito besamo untuk jago dan tadbir dgn baik.

kalau dah kacau bilau, macam mano nak cari makan, nak bosakan anak2 dan bebas begorak ke sano sini?

boto tak waghih?

Anonymous said...

some people prefer freedom.

some will opt for public order.

but for me, malaysia is still the best because we are still free to do anything that does not obstruct the law or offend others.

freedom must have its limitation. a total freedom will only bring disaster

Anonymous said...

who doesnt want a peaceful living?

those who reject such an ambient are mad people, arseholes!

tuna said...

to PRO-PAKATAN.

fuck u!

if u prefer such a freedom, may as well u rot in HELL!!!

bloody swine!

tan & tan & tan said...

i concur with penangan.

everybody, including the opposition leaders and members should uphold public order at all times within their scope of political ambition.

without a conducive environment, no politics will prevail in a country like malaysia.

think about it...

baba punya ali said...

hairan.

polis selalu dipersalahkan dalam apa keadaan pun walhal yang cetuskan huru-hara ni adalah rakyat yang takda moral dan korup fikirannya.

saya anggap polis penting fungsinya dalam menjaga keselamatan dan keamanan komuniti.

kalau takda demonstrasi jahat macam bersih ni, takkanlah ada polis yang sengaja nak buat macam tu.

bangang punya bersih!

Anonymous said...

The bershit lembus broke the law and the police had to maintain order. If they need to display aggressive counter-measures, it can be justified in a riot.

Anonymous said...

wtf?!

now they're blaming the policemen of acting unprofessionally?!

are they joking?!

how about the young policeman and reporter that kena belasah setengah mati by the haramjadah rioters?!

takpelah abang polis, keringat dan darah kita yang tumpah dibalas dengan tuba oleh dumb ass politicians!

after this, if there gonna to be another Bershit Demonstration, marilah kita beramai-ramai pakat mintak cuti!

biar saja kerisMUDIN and the other dumb ass politicians jaga rusuhan tersebut!

only then will they know how difficult it is to walk in our shoes!

dahlah gaji ciput, kerja tengah panas, kena maki, kena sepak terajang lagi!

Anonymous said...

wtf?!

now they're blaming the policemen of acting unprofessionally?!

are they joking?!

how about the young policeman and reporter that kena belasah setengah mati by the haramjadah rioters?!

takpelah abang polis, keringat dan darah kita yang tumpah dibalas dengan tuba oleh dumb ass politicians!

after this, if there gonna to be another Bershit Demonstration, marilah kita beramai-ramai pakat mintak cuti!

biar saja kerisMUDIN and the other dumb ass politicians jaga rusuhan tersebut!

only then will they know how difficult it is to walk in our shoes!

dahlah gaji ciput, kerja tengah panas, kena maki, kena sepak terajang lagi!

Anonymous said...

"Hanif said Kuala Lumpur police chief Deputy Comm Mohmad Salleh testified that he had seen via monitors at the Bukit Aman control centre that some officers had acted unprofessionally"....

Is the KL police chief trying to save his a##?!

He was watching the riot via monitor from a safe environment, but his men in blue who are the one that actually had to deal with the lunatic rioters who are obviously blood thirsty!

what do you expect the men in blue to do?!

just stand still and let the rioters bashed their head?!

it is sad to see that the police force is being lead by pondan who didn't have the guts to defend his own men!

Anonymous said...

"Hanif said Kuala Lumpur police chief Deputy Comm Mohmad Salleh testified that he had seen via monitors at the Bukit Aman control centre that some officers had acted unprofessionally"....

Is the KL police chief trying to save his a##?!

He was watching the riot via monitor from a safe environment, but his men in blue who are the one that actually had to deal with the lunatic rioters who are obviously blood thirsty!

what do you expect the men in blue to do?!

just stand still and let the rioters bashed their head?!

it is sad to see that the police force is being lead by pondan who didn't have the guts to defend his own men!

Anonymous said...

how about the part where the illegal rioters 'hentam' the policemen?!

the panel didn't review that?!

care to explain Mr former IGP Hanif?!

Anonymous said...

tauke lim you read england or not? read papers or not? what is ambiga fighting for? For a free and fair election which will affect all of us for generations to come, can you get it thru your thick skull!!???

Anonymous said...

tauke lim you read england or not? read papers or not? what is ambiga fighting for? For a free and fair election which will affect all of us for generations to come, can you get it thru your thick skull!!???

Anonymous said...

After watching the videos from various sources, I have noticed one thing. Quite a few of these acts of assault on the protestors were carried out by policemen without any identifying marks or names. Are they real policemen or not, maay someone enlighten me? Thanks