Wednesday, September 22, 2010

We are not hard up for Indon maids!

We should respect Indonesia's decision to ban prospective maids from going to Malaysia. Kuwait and Jordan are also on the list. Whether the decision has anything to do with the soured diplomatic relations between us and them, we should not be alarmed.

We got options, good ones. We have the Filipinos, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis and others who are also hard working. The Filipinos and Sri Lankans have what most Indon maids dont - loyal and obedient (here).

So, there is no need to be so hard up for the Indonesians. Better if we stop employing them as they also contribute to social problems in the country.

The Indonesian government was so uptight with some abuse cases involving their nationals in Malaysia. We got about 280,000 Indon maids working here... and how many of them were abused? 50,000? 100,000 maybe?

They are human and they serve human. Some human are good while the rest are evil. Some maids are evil too. Did the Indonesian government know how many of their maids working in Malaysia fled with their boyfriends and friends, most of whom are Indonesians as well? They couldnt care less if they run away without their pasports as the Malaysian government would give amnesty mostly every year for those who want to return home.

Does the Indonesian authority know how many of these maids are involved in vice activity as well? Furthermore, are they aware that there are cases involving Indonesian maids abusing babies, children and people in their care? And how many of them were caught stealing from the house they serve?

There are also cases where some maids who left their hubbies and children in Indonesia, cheated their countrymen (and some stupid Malaysian males too) into marriage on the pretext that they are divorcees. Disgusting, isnt it?

Going by ratio, the abuse cases are so small compared with the 'unpleasant' cases they indulged in. The Malaysian authority is always quick in taking action against employers who abuse their maid. There are thousands good employers who treat them as family members, provide them with good lodging, food and others.

In fact, Jakarta should also show appreciation to some good employers who arranged their maid to get the PR status (those who have served them long enough). Some of them are no longer treated as maids but as business partners. And why didnt Jakarta say something soothing about such a golden treatment?

A few cannot speak for many. There could be one or two bad employers in 1,000. If Jakarta is fond of politicising this few cases, they should also know how to appreciate the good ones. When Bendera staged demonstrations at the Malaysian Embassy in Jakarta and pelted the building with dongs, did we call them evil? Nope!

So, suit yourself if you dont want your maids to work in Malaysia. You may also call home those who are already here. We will not complaint. Its your call, anyway! Sometimes it doesnt pay to be nice and helpful, right?

To the Indon minister, are you aware that most of your maids who have completed their service here refused to go back to Indonesia or to be sent home? You better ask them why!

I think it is time for our government to review the whole policy of employing Indonesian maids. They are not our only source. Rather than employing them, we better set up a special college to train our dropouts in housekeeping. At least, they deserve better wages!

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dear Just Read,

You are taking the moral high ground without the substance. They are only asking for some basic ground rule for their employment. Do not hold their passports. Pay their wages monthly that you have agreed to on your own free will.Give them a day off.They are Pembantu Rumah and are there to help your spouse not takeover from him or her.And do not make them wash not only your car, that of your spouse and in many cases that of the children.If there is the four of you like my neighbour and if she washes the car twice a week it will be 4carsX2times a week = 8 times XRM5.00 per wash will be equal to RM40.00 a week and RM160 amonth. I have not calculated the savings on laundary yet.
Treat it as a commercial contract. You pay her and she does the work she is paid for. In a sense it is a contest. We want to pay her as little as possible and get as much work out of her. And she wants to get as much money as possible and do as little work as possible. Somewhere in the middles lies our balance.

It is not easy to have a maid and it is not easy to be a maid.we need some humanity here.We cannot live without them we cannot live with them. I hope that those who use their services will look at the problems interms of opportunity cost and not take the moral high ground that we are doing them a service by employing them. Good Luck

harrison said...

i agree. better reconsider our policy of hiring indon maids. as we have options, better give it a study.

indonesia is playing up the maid issue because of our diplomatic relation.

compared with abuse cases on indon maids in the arab countries, what happened in malaysia is very, very minor

Anonymous said...

we hope jakarta doesnt blow up the issue out of proportion. malaysia has been kind enough in giving priority to maids from indonesia. some of them came here legally but there also who entered via back doors.

we are also quite generous in allowing about 3 million indonesians to work and stay here, without much problems.

however, some of them are not thankful.

eddy, muar said...

hire the filipinos, the young ones. they are naturally pretty... and good singers too! ha ha ha!

goalkeeper said...

what a foolish decision by the indonesian minister!

we help employ their citizens and they talk bad things about us!

along 90 said...

bang, memang betul ramai majikan yang baik.

contohnya, abang saya. dia nikah dengan pembantu rumah warga indon selepas isterinya meninggal. mereka hidup aman damai sekarang ni!

Anonymous said...

Yes, get off that fat ass, switch off the TV and ask the kids to participate in house chores too. This is part of education too,of being a partner in a household for both sexes.Also teaches organization skill. Just look around you, too many spoilt, obese kids in Msia now!
Its NOT cute its deadly!

Mama

Mazidul Akmal Sidik said...

Salam Bro, rakyat asing dilaporkan berhutang 6.4 juta ringgit dengan hospital kerajaan Malaysia.

I believe that majority of these people are Indonesians since there are 3.1 million of them living in this country.

Boleh tidak rakyat Malaysia berhutang?

Huh!

lang tengah said...

kita masih boleh guna pembantu rumah indonesia tetapi perlu diasingkan mengikut agama.

yang beragama islam cuma boleh bekerja dengan orang melayu/islam saja manakala yang bukan islam boleh bekerja dengan kaum lain.

salah satu punca terjadinya kes dera ialah apabila majikan bukan islam menyuruh mereka melakukan kerja yang sama sekali bertentangan dengan agama islam, misalnya memasak babi dan memandikan anjing.

sepetol said...

jai,

kesa dera pembantu rumah ni semuanya kerja orang cina, india dah bangsa lain. orang melayu tak pernah buat macam ni sebab hati orang melayu ni baik.

orang cinalah yang paling ramai mendera mereka.

dah bangsa ni memang suka menindas orang...mementingkan diri sendiri dan suka memperhambakan orang!

kalau tak kerana mereka, kita takkan ada masalah dengan pembantu rumah indonesia.

disebabkan nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga!

red alert said...

yes... stop relying on them. we can take maids from america too...

why cannot?

tiongnam said...

sir, i like your idea on the setting up of a special college to train our dropouts as maids and as others.

this is the best way to meet up with demand for maids. after all, we would not have any problems with our own people.

in fact, the suggestion for a monthly wage of rm800 can be considered for local maids.

the govt must consider this!

Anonymous said...

why dont we just forget about the indonesians and consider maids from other countries like u mentioned?

sri lanka and bangladesk would be good. they are also well trained.

the filipinos are quite expensive and very demanding. some of them are also involved in vice

kiah sumbing said...

dalam setandan pisang tu, mesti ada sebiji dua yang tak elok. samalah macam manusia. mesti ada seorang dua majikan yang melampau dan ada jugak pembantu rumah yang jahat dan sengaja ambil kesempatan.

jadi,apa yang jadi isu di sini? kalau indonesia nakkan majikan yang baik je, susahlah nak cakap sebab kita pun tak tau siapa orang baik, siapa orang jahat!

susah2, takyah ambil lagi la pembantu rumah dari seberang. indonesia pun patut haramkan rakyatnya bekerja sebagai pembantu rumah di mana2 negara pun.

habis cerita. senang je, kan?

gerimis senja said...

aku setuju bahawa ramai pembantu rumah indonesia dan rakyatnya yang bekerja di sini ingin duduk lebih lama di malaysia sebab senang cari makan.

memang ramai yang kalau boleh tak mau pulang ke indonesia. kalau pulang pun, akan datang balik walaupun terpaksa masuk secara haram.

ramai antaranya yang turut bawa ahli keluarga untuk menetap di malaysia.

sebab itulah pemerintah indonesia kena juga lihat dari sudut ini. jangan cuma tau nak hentam malaysia je.

kes dera cuma sedikit. majikan yang baik budi dan luhur tetap ramai di malaysia ni, khasnya orang melayu.

TAK MAKAN BABI said...

kes dera pembantu rumah ni cuma membabitkan majikan berbangsa cina dan india.

oleh itu, kita patut haramkan bangsa ni daripada mengambil pembantu rumah dari indonesia. sebaliknya mereka boleh pilih dari negara lain.

kita patut khaskan pembantu rumah indonesia yang beragama islam untuk melayu je.

orang cina bukan tau hormat agama orang lain. pembantu rumah yang beragama islam pun disuruh buat benda haram.

mereka juga dieksploit sepenuhnya. dalam banyak kes, pembantu rumah ni diarah juga bekerja di kedai, restoran dan tempat lain.

gerabak said...

elok cari rakyat kita sendiri.

macam yang awak cakap, buat satu sekolah untuk latih orang kita jadi pembantu rumah yang pro.

mereka pun boleh kerja di negara lain

Anonymous said...

Larang juga semua PATI datang bekerja di Malaysia. Kita dah penuh negan pendatang vietnam, Bangladaseh dan Myamar. Biar mereka mencari nafkah di negara lain. Mungkin negara lain layanannya lebih baik. Indonesia banyak bermain politik daripada menyelesaikan masalah negara sendiri. Korupsi, pengganguran, kebuluran dan kemiskinan patut diatasi bukanya sentiasa mencari kesilapan negara lain. Malaysia tak melatah apabila warga indonesia di sini merogol, merompak dan membunuh warga tempatan. Kalau kita ambil kira jenayah warga indonesia di sini, kita patut haramkan semua warga indonesia datang ke Malaysia.

Anonymous said...

DO NOT LET THE AGENTS HANDLE. THESE AGENTS ARE PART OF THE EVIL.

They charge hell and give or rotate devils. Malaysian mothers become victims. How to have proper households if mum needs to work?

Better get the ones from Myammar as well.
Myammarese Muslim girls are earning about USD50/month in their country. Let them save money for their families' wellbeing.

Anonymous said...

When my Indonesian maid completed her contract the ban was in effect and I applied for a Filipina maid, willing to pay RM1500 a month. This was rejected by our Immigration department - they say a NON-MUSLIM maid CANNOT work for a Muslim family!On the other hand, a Muslim maid can work for a non-Muslim family....WTF!!!!??????

Anonymous said...

my father and mother (both now RIP) had 10 children and we never had any maid those days, Today we all need maids to look after our children, cook, wash and sweep the houses... we are spoilt and we still say the BN Government is no good. hehehehehehehehehehe

Mazidul Akmal Sidik said...

Bro, I have stated the a wrong figure, it's 64 million, NOT 6.4 million ringgit.

That's how much warga asing berhutang dengan hospital kerajaan.

Anonymous said...

Tuan Bujai, one of your readers above praised your proposal to train unemployed Malaysians as maids for local households.

Yes, that's a great idea! You are thinking out-of-the-box. The benefits are obvious and will benefit the country. It's a win-win deal!

First, it will give employment for our own people. Secondly, the money will be earned and spent HERE instead of being remitted to a foreign country which everyone must agree is slowly draining away Malaysia's wealth.

The reason many Malaysians shy away from working as maids is probably because this particular occupation is not regulated and so is open to abuse. It is true also that the work is hard and back-breaking with long hours.

Another reason is because of perception. Many people see this as a lowly, menial job, and that people look down on it and, by extension, those so employed.

However, the above two objections are not major obstacles and can be easily overcome. Take the perception of the job as being low-class. It need not be so. Domestic work can be dignified and even command respect. Think of those professional butlers working in hotels or serving with wealthy and powerful families. Ordinary people can be in awe of these butlers who are after all still basically domestic servants!

The other problem of heavy workload and unreasonably long hours can be solved if there's a union, something like a teachers' union or bank employees' union, to oversee the maids' welfare. However, as most maids are usually not highly educated nor have experience in organizing themselves, the authorities can step in to help them out in this respect. Perhaps the government can set up a bureau specifically to look after the interests of maids/domestic workers.

This Bureau should then set down clear guidelines on what a maid's duties are, the number of hours they are allowed to work a day, rest periods, annual holidays, health coverage, a minimum wage threshold, EPF contribution, etc.

Then properly accredited Training Colleges, similar to Hotel & Catering Industry colleges, can be set up to provide professional training to anyone wishing to go into this line of occupation. I believe that for those with the drive and the patriotic desire to help both the nation and fellow Malaysians, there is good money to be made in starting and running such a training institute. And Malaysia's perennial problem with maids may finally be solved.

Anonymous said...

Tuan Bujai, one of your readers above praised your proposal to train unemployed Malaysians as maids for local households.

Yes, that's a great idea! You are thinking out-of-the-box. The benefits are obvious and will benefit the country. It's a win-win deal!

First, it will give employment for our own people. Secondly, the money will be earned and spent HERE instead of being remitted to a foreign country which everyone must agree is slowly draining away Malaysia's wealth.

The reason many Malaysians shy away from working as maids is probably because this particular occupation is not regulated and so is open to abuse. It is true also that the work is hard and back-breaking with long hours.

Another reason is because of perception. Many people see this as a lowly, menial job, and that people look down on it and, by extension, those so employed.

However, the above two objections are not major obstacles and can be easily overcome. Take the perception of the job as being low-class. It need not be so. Domestic work can be dignified and even command respect. Think of those professional butlers working in hotels or serving with wealthy and powerful families. Ordinary people can be in awe of these butlers who are after all still basically domestic servants!

The other problem of heavy workload and unreasonably long hours can be solved if there's a union, something like a teachers' union or bank employees' union, to oversee the maids' welfare. However, as most maids are usually not highly educated nor have experience in organizing themselves, the authorities can step in to help them out in this respect. Perhaps the government can set up a bureau specifically to look after the interests of maids/domestic workers.

This Bureau should then set down clear guidelines on what a maid's duties are, the number of hours they are allowed to work a day, rest periods, annual holidays, health coverage, a minimum wage threshold, EPF contribution, etc.

Then properly accredited Training Colleges, similar to Hotel & Catering Industry colleges, can be set up to provide professional training to anyone wishing to go into this line of occupation. I believe that for those with the drive and the patriotic desire to help both the nation and fellow Malaysians, there is good money to be made in starting and running such a training institute. And Malaysia's perennial problem with maids may finally be solved.

telok tempoyak said...

awat. depa ingat kalu maid depan tak boleh mai malaysia, kita tadak pilihan lain ka?

aaaakkkkaaaaiiii tarak!

black belt said...

there are about 3 million indonesians in malaysia, the only country in the world which hosts too many of them.

about 300,000 are maids, who found good job and good pay.

the few cases involving bad employers should be taken as a yardstick to bash up malaysia and its people.

in indonesia itself, more maids are abused by locals than that in malaysia.

however, if they stop them from coming to malaysia, we cant say anything. its their citizens!

Anonymous said...

yes. i agree to a few who posted comments that the bad employers are non-malays... not the malays!

bujai said...

bro mazidul,

kalau itulah jumlah hutang rakyat asing dengan kita, kena buat sesuatulah.

aku teringat bidalan 'kera di hutan disusukan, anak di riba mati kelaparan'.

rasa2nya rakyat kita langsung tak dibenarkan berhutang. pelik!

thanx for your input.

justina said...

no need to employ indons.

i employed 4 of them in the span of 3 years. like u said, they fled with their boyfriends!

kulitkraf said...

bujai,

i second your proposal on the need for malaysia to set up a training college for maids.

in some countries, maids are ranked level with clerks.

we dont mind paying more to locals willing to join this profession.

DOL said...

tak payah ambil pembantu. kalau beranak, jagalah anak sendiri, basuhlah pakaian sendiri, masaklah sendiri, mandilah sendiri, kemaslah rumah sendiri....

kalau pandai beranak, pandailah jaga!

siot betul la orang malaya ni!

aku masa kecik2 dulu takda pun maid yang jaga walaupun mak aku pun keje jugak sebagai cikgu manakala bapak aku askar.

Rasputin Beliong said...

Your sentiment, like mine, is wishful thinking. The sad fact is we Malaysians have compromised far too much.

We don't mind our children being brought up by these uneducated mercenaries, some of whom are even prostitutes and theives. We allow them to take over our businesses in the heart of Kuala Lumpur. And one of the reasons why millions of illegals are still here is our enforcement personnel are assured of a steady income from their continued presence.

To make matters worse, our government listen too much to the likes of restaurant owners and captains of industry who claim they would go out of business without these cheap workers, as if this is the type of Malaysia that is forever ideal without having to move up the life quality ladder.

Anonymous said...

Not only training be provided but also improve the labor laws pertaining to leave, maternity, insurance,working hours. Be clear on both sides. Its a maid, your personal assistant, not SLAVE! Have job description clear cut at time of employment. Issue receipt when u pay them, signed and dated.

PA expert

ibnrusd said...

Jgn la ikut jejak langkah indon yg melahirkan ramai maid, kita org malaysia (dan melayu khususnya) kena berazam utk tidak melahirkan anak2 yg akan jadi maid! kita mesti jd org2 yg berjaya dunia dan akhirat.

saya pernah dengar ucapan LKY, antara lain maksudnya dia menyeru rakyat singapura agar tidak membiarkan wanita2 negara singapura menjadi maid, apatah lg diekport ke luar negara.

affendi hussain said...

Bro,

If the Govt managed to turn this nation into a developed nation like the Europeans/USA/Japan/Korea, none of this maid issues would be much relevant to us anymore putting aside those lazy, arrogant, look high on-self and dominating attitude like the rich chinese, indians and arabs..we should follow examples of the Europeans, Japanese, USA & Koreans .

we do not need others so much when we have house management knowledge , self-sustained and can live by on our own feet. Don't expect an indon or any 3rd world country maid have the knowledge on how to properly clean, or handle a modern household. It's not a natural born talent or can be learn from any idiot guide book! Indons somemore, back in their own kampung don't even have a proper septic disposal system..all can be done in a hole under a tree..main taik je pandai mcm puak bendera tu..so what to expect?

With higher income and cultured high-class mentality, people can waived this maid dependency the moment only the husband alone working is sufficient enough to furnish all the family basic and comfort needs while left alone the wife to focus managing and taking care of the house and the kids..

Here, we don't even have minimum wages guideline for our own people and yet our PM speaking bullshit about doubling our per capita income..if they were to agree with that 800 minimum pay for indon maids, that would be a total f&%k up since 1/3 of our own total workforce (somewhere around 1-2 million) are earning their basic salary below the poverty RM670 line!

High per capita, high purchasing power parity, developed nation is the ultimate permanent solution of this whole episodes..one stone killing two bird speaking when the social problem also can be homemade mitigate by the parents' effective role..not just relying on teachers & govt.

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affendi hussain said...

Bro,

If the Govt managed to turn this nation into a developed nation like the Europeans/USA/Japan/Korea, none of this maid issues would be much relevant to us anymore putting aside those lazy, arrogant, look high on-self and dominating attitude like the rich chinese, indians and arabs..we should follow examples of the Europeans, Japanese, USA & Koreans .

we do not need others so much when we have house management knowledge , self-sustained and can live by on our own feet. Don't expect an indon or any 3rd world country maid have the knowledge on how to properly clean, or handle a modern household. It's not a natural born talent or can be learn from any idiot guide book! Indons somemore, back in their own kampung don't even have a proper septic disposal system..all can be done in a hole under a tree..main taik je pandai mcm puak bendera tu..so what to expect?

With higher income and cultured high-class mentality, people can waived this maid dependency the moment only the husband alone working is sufficient enough to furnish all the family basic and comfort needs while left alone the wife to focus managing and taking care of the house and the kids..

Here, we don't even have minimum wages guideline for our own people and yet our PM speaking bullshit about doubling our per capita income..if they were to agree with that 800 minimum pay for indon maids, that would be a total f&%k up since 1/3 of our own total workforce (somewhere around 1-2 million) are earning their basic salary below the poverty RM670 line!

High per capita, high purchasing power parity, developed nation is the ultimate permanent solution of this whole episodes..one stone killing two bird speaking when the social problem also can be homemade mitigate by the parents' effective role..not just relying on teachers & govt.

("/)

Anonymous said...

haiya

just look at the racial profile of maid abusers

you may want to take caution against elements that want to pitch Malaysia against Indonesia

just don't fall into their "divide and rule" trap as swell as "keep them at loggerheads" while we enrich ourselves

Anonymous said...

All this is irrelevant to the common citizen who are now facing difficulties making ends meet, and could never afford a maid. Rich men problems should not become the priority of the nation or the cause of international conflicts. Food prices should.!

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